Thursday, August 17, 2006

What Islamic terrorism? Michigan Judge Declares Government's Wiretapping Program Illegal


The timing is exquisite.

Here we are, only a couple of days after a plot to blow up a dozen airliners out of the sky was uncovered by the Bush Administration's wiretapping program, and a leftist federal judge in Michigan rules it unconstitutional!

Detroit U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor said in a 43-page ruling that the National Security Agency warrantless wiretapping program is illegal and must immediately be stopped,because it violates rights to free speech and privacy.

Here's a sample of the flavor of Judge Taylor's opinion: "There are no hereditary kings in America and no powers not created by the Constitution."

The American Civil Liberties Union (who else?) filed the lawsuit against the program, which involves taping selected conversations in suspect phone calls between the US and foreign countries.

The government has steadfastly refused to divulge any details about the program, arguing that the program was within the president's authority but that proving so by describing how it works would require revealing state secrets.

The ACLU attacked the state secrets argument, saying the White House had already revealed enough information about the program publicly for Taylor to rule on its constitutionality.

The ruling is bad law, as the doctrine of ` a clear and present danger'when it comes to free speech and privacy issues is pretty solidly backed by Federal precedent. But she bought their argument...which is not surprising when you learn that Judge Anna Diggs Taylor is an ex-member of the communist front National Lawyer's Guild, an organization with a long history of defending Islamic terrorists. Lynne Stewart, an attorney imprisoned for abusing lawyer client privilege by illegally facilitating prohibited communications between Islamic terorist groups overseas and her incarcerated client Omar Abdel Rahman, who engineered the 1993 World Trade Center bombing was an executive member...and a major cause for both the NLG and the ACLU.

And of course, Judge Taylor was appointed to her judgeship in 1979 by none other than Jimmy Carter, after working on his campaign. No surprises there.

The ACLU knew that they were pleading in front of a very symphathetic ear.

"The ruling of the judge is not only a victory for the American Muslim community but a victory for the entire American population," said Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations(CAIR) for Michigan, which joined the ACLU as a plaintiff in the lawsuit.

You betcha.

The ruling will likely be appealed by the administration, perhaps as early as Thursday, and that the ruling is unlikely to stop the wiretapping activities anytime soon.

But this is an excellent example of what can happen when you get leftist lawyers working with activist left wing jurists as a fifth column here in America. And since judges like Anna Diggs Taylor are appointed for life by the Jimmy Carters of the world, a reminder to be careful whom you vote for.

19 comments:

louielouie said...

"There are no hereditary kings in America and no powers not created by the Constitution."

what in the HELL does that mean?

Freedom Fighter said...

It means the Judge hates George W. Bush and favors `rights' for Islamic terrorists.

nazar said...

Sad, truly sad.

Repack Rider said...

I knew as soon as I heard about it that the program violated the Constitution.

It seems that all the administration has to do is yell "Terrists! Terrists!" and the cowards in America, who seem to be a majority these days, will gladly sign over their rights if the president will stroke their heads and tell them that now he'll keep the boogieman away.

Y'all are COWARDS for giving up your rights not for safety, but for someone to TELL you, with no evidence whatever, that it makes you safer. I'll take my chances with terrorists, because I am not a coward, and I will defend the Constitution, because I am a patriot

Who was it that said it's better to die standing than to live on your knees? GODDAMN IT, STAND UP! I sure am.

Freedom Fighter said...

Hello, Repack.

Let's talk sense here. The NSA program doesn't violate the Contitution in the least. This leftist judge based her opinion on a supposed violation of the FISA Act of 1979 (in itself a rather stupid bit of hancuffing of our intel, but it IS still law).

However, the FISA law is very strictly drawn in that it covers DOMESTIC surveillance, whereas th NSA program covers phonecalls from suspects in FOREIGN countries TO the US.

I trust you see the difference.

As for your being willing to take your chances with terrorists, fine and dandy,but you have no right to play with MY life. The Constitution is not a suicide pact and as I wrote, the concept of `clear and present danger' when in comes to the First and Fourth Amendments has numerous case precedents on its side.

As a mattewr of fact, if we're talking about cowards, I think your inability to face facts on the kind of war we face is hardly heroic, and indicative of the kind of denial typical of much of what I call the Angry Left.

I 'd be willing to bet money that you are the sort of person who refers to yourself as a `proud Democrat'.

There are a number of Democrats who haven't lost their minds yet.
perhaps you'd like to know how one of them dealt with this issue.

Aside from allowing the FBI to detain and deport anyone who even remotely looked like they might be an enemy alien, during WWII FDR gave the FBI complete authority to lntercept all transAtlantic cables and a virtual free hand when it came to domestic surveillance, wiretapping and opening mail.

I could introduce you to one elderly woman I know who got a commendation and a special medal from the government for finding a bit of microfilm under the stamp of an inocuous domestic letter that sent six German spies to the gallows.

American life has changed incredibly since 9/11. Six years ago, if anyone had told you that moms would be getting hassled for trying tobring baby milk on an airplane, you would thought they were insane.

The refusal of people like you to recognize the kind of war we're in guarantees even more far reaching changes to American life if folks like you and Judge Taylor have their way.

Talk about living on your knees!

louielouie said...

i am aware of the format of this blog.
and i know this is an off topic comment, however, i thought that ff would get a chuckle, well maybe not a chuckle, out of this quote.
it comes from andrew young, the now former spokesperson for wal-mart.
it is a comment about wal-mart, but sounds like he was trying to imitate mel gibson.
he is addressing the issue of, "is wal-mart running mom/pop stores out of business?"

"Well, I think they should; they ran the 'mom and pop' stores out of my neighborhood," the paper quoted Young as saying. "But you see, those are the people who have been overcharging us, selling us stale bread and bad meat and wilted vegetables. And they sold out and moved to Florida. I think they've ripped off our communities enough. First it was Jews, then it was Koreans and now it's Arabs; very few black people own these stores."

always the jooos these days.......
please keep in mind that andy was the US ambassador to the un in the jimmah cawhta administration.

louielouie said...

repacker bloviated:
I'll take my chances with terrorists,

the question is which terrorist and when?
the question is not you, but which family members or loved ones will also have to mano e mano with the said same terrorist?
you do have family members and/or loved ones?
you do care about other people, right?
or is this just about you?
allowing someone of your ilk to make these decisions, we won't be on our knees, we will bending over and grabbing our ankles.

Truth Party Proponent said...

I see we're all getting along famously in here.

Democrap vs. Repugnican... is it really just that simple? Personally, I find it difficult to choose a side when lies are being yelled into both my left and right ears.

If we reference the constitution in search of guidance, we could be construed as terrorists. All we have to go on is common sense.

The truth is right here on the internet, the only place where government can't monopolize their media. Seek it out.

The official government story is STILL that Oswald killed Kennedy. I want to vote for a leader who will tell me the truth. The truth about Kennedy... about the OKC bombings... about 9/11.

How can any of us feel safe when we don't even know who the enemy is?

I see all the carefully crafted sentences in here with creative punchlines taking pot-shots at the guy/gal on the other side of the political spectrum from you. This is great therapy - but hardly proactive.

I don't know about all of you, but I'm running out of people to fear. I'm on a search for people I can trust. People whose opinion can't be bought. People who offer me the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

How anyone can state their opinions so steadfastly without doing research first is beyond me (TV News & newspapers don't count as research).

I have done my research and I have found enough of the truth to be fearful of the people running our government, both past and especially present.

They rely on our ignorance. To argue amongst ourselves along current party lines is like a bullet wound victim complaining about a hangnail. It's simply ignorant.

Seek the truth. To be informed is our only true defense.

Freedom Fighter said...

With all respect, Truth..I find your post to be full of platitudes and not much substance.

It's pathethically easy to say `they're all crooks and liars' without bothering to state any specifics.

Politics is politics, whether you're talking about ancient Athens, Victorian England, the Stalin-era Soviet Union or Ashtabula, Ohio..because human nature doesn't change. Or, as Ecclesiates puts it `there is nothing new under the sun.'

If you have an actual, factual, specific disagreement with something I've written here, feel free to toss it out there.

ff

Truth Party Proponent said...

My disagreement is specifically with your assumption of the source of 'clear and present danger.'

Furthermore, although it may make for more interesting reading, your writing style is more antagonistic than convincing.

I see you trying your best in here to intimidate potential detractors with your bombastic nature and... wow - quoting of scripture.

Surely I've lost this argument already, in spite of the fact that I tried my best not to engage in one. My only hope may be that you misspelled Ecclisiastes.

Leave it to a Repugnican to merge religion with politics without provocation.

A Democrap would wait until he was losing an election before resorting to such desperate measures.

Now, with the apparently mandated pot-shots out of the way, let me try to ease my point in your general direction.

The interpretation of the constitution and its ammendments is not a right versus left issue.

Rather, it is a "who do you trust?" issue.

Even more pathetic than the ease with which I can say "they're all crooks and liars" is the ease with which it can be proven.

The difficulty lies in fitting all the proof in one blog response.

Almost all of the evidence that was the supposed basis for the war in Iraq was either distorted or completely fabricated. They even went so far as to suggest Iraq had nuclear capabilities. The entire UN presentation was lie... after lie... after lie. And there I was, sitting on my couch, eating it all up like they wanted me to..
until I watched "Uncovered - The Whole Truth About the Iraq War."

I also once believed 9/11 was a surprise attack... until I watched "The Truth and Lies of 9/11."

In this gem of a documentary, Mike Ruppert brings numerous documents to our attention that indicate that at the very least, our government knew precisely what was to occur on 9/11.

Dare I ask why, in January of 1991, the Bush administration ordered the FBI and intelligence agencies to "back off" investigations involving the Bin Laden family? (source: FBI National Security Report)

From July 4-14, 2001 Osama Bin Laden received treatment for kidney disease at the American hospital in Dubai and met with CIA
official, who returned to CIA headquarters on July 15, 2001. (Source: Le Figaro, October 31, 2001)

Foreign governments warned us on a number of occasions, based on their own intelligence reports.

In August of 2001, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered Russian intelligence to warn the U.S. government "in the strongest possible terms" of imminent attacks on airports and government buildings. (Source: MS-NBC interview with Putin, September 15, 2001)

Also in August 2001, two Israeli Mossad senior experts were sent to Washington to urgently alert the CIA of attacks on the World Trade Center. (source: The Telegraph)

Don't take my word for it - like I said in my initial post, seek the truth for yourself. But be careful to separate fact from speculation.

For example:

Fact: Larry Silverstein (WTC leaseholder) says in an interview on PBS that WTC Building 7 was "pulled" (trade term for controlled demolition).

Speculation: First of all, controlled demolitions take weeks (minimum) to plan. How did they pull that one off? Those charges had to be pre-placed and ready to go. All the eye-witnesses (including firefighters in the building) kept referring to multiple explosions going off all over the place. Samples of molten metal reveal thermate (sulfur, potassium & manganese), used to cut through high strength steel.
The structures collapsed at near free-fall speed. Maybe the towers were "pulled" too.

Fact: The original hole in the Pentagon was 16 feet in diameter, and pierced through 9 feet of reinforced concrete. No wreckage was visible outside of the pentagon in any photograph or video. No video has ever been released showing a plane hitting the Pentagon. However, our honest government was kind enough to provide us with a simulation.

Speculation: Well, it's hard to call a 757 disappearing through a 16 foot hole anything short of impossible, but speculation comes into the picture when we start asking ourselves where the real planes went.

I can understand why people are unaware of these facts. The mainstream media has been paid to stop asking questions.

What upsets me is people who are made aware of these facts and still can't see.

What I've revealed here is just the tip of the iceberg.

Google the following if you wish to learn more:

911 Coverup
911 Truth
Mike Ruppert
In Plane Sight
The Great Deception
The Great Conspiracy
911 Loose Change
The Whole Truth About the Iraq War

If you want to take speculation to a new and scary level, Google Alex Jones or Illuminati.

If, after watching any one of these documentaries - you're still okay with the Patriot Act, well - you're why they thought they could get away with it.

As far as our government is concerned, denial does not equal innocence.

Is that enuff substance for ya there, ff?

Freedom Fighter said...

Ho ho...I think I hit a nerve.

That was quite an outpouring, and I recommend an occasional dose of laxative.

As for substance..sorry, no.

If you fail to understand the judicial concept of a `clear and present danger' as applied numerous times by our judiciary, here's a classic example..the old `yelling fire in a crowded theater'.

It's been used against the KKK, White Supremists of all stripes, contract killers and those that hire them. And it most certainly applies to Islamic terrorists talking to their wanna be jihadi pals here in America.

If you feel that the Bush Administration is a bigger threat to your life and liberty than jihad, there's not much I can say, short of `let me know when the shuttle lands'.

I have severe differences with the way the Bush Administration has conducted this war... apparently the President hasn't even realized until lately that we are fighting Islamic jihad aided and abetted by several well known countries. But I don't doubt his sincerity.

I know it's more comforting for you to believe it was the Evil Jooos and the Mossad that pulled off 9/11, but it is nonsense..and an insult people's intelligence.

FTR, I know people in New York City that SAW the planes hit the Towers and saw what happened,there are numerous photos and reports and Osama and company admitted doing it..so kindly zip it.

Who do you think you are? al Ahram? al Jazeera? I though these kind of fantasies only existed in the Muslim world!

You wrote "Dare I ask why, in January of 1991, the Bush administration ordered the FBI and intelligence agencies to "back off" investigations involving the Bin Laden family?"

Umm, Mr. Bill was the president then,`Truth'.

As for Iraq, we could open up that can of worms,but why bother? Nothing I would say would convince you, and I don't want to eliminate a chief joy in your life by crapping on your pet conspiracy theories.

Here's a few clues, though:

One: Both the Clinton and Bush Administrations plus every major intelligence outfit in the West knew Saddam had stocks of WMDs, the scientific knowledge to get things into production and that he was apparently actively toying with the idea of obtaining uranium and doing exactly that.The British Butler report still stands by that.

Two: Thanks to Bush's silly attempt to mollify the temper tantrums of the Left here and in Britain, the ramp up to war took FIFTEEN months...ample time for Saddam to hide, sell or otherwise dispose of what he had. Me, I'd have been more surprised if we HAD found anything.

Three: Saddam was an active participant in the Muslim jihad against the west, and an active supporter of Islamic terrorism. That was reason enough for him to go down by itself.

When I say this, keep in mind that I severely disagree with the way the Bush Adminstration has handled post war Iraq, and with the decision to stop and get bogged down there.

But I don't question the need to dispose of Saddam in the slightest.

As for the Patriot Act,if you don't see the need to apply the RICO Statutes to Islamic terrorists as well in an effort to improve the country's security during war time, you are obviously part of the problem rather than the solution, I'm afraid.

Guess what? There will be more of this in the future, because the jihadis are not going to go quietly. If you want to foam at the mouth about anything, I suggest you start with certain elements in the Muslim world that WANT TO KILL YOU.

Not that I would ever try and convince you of that..or anything else, believe me. Some things are better left undone.

Oh, and one more thing...do check the proper spelling of `Ecclisiastes' and `ammmendments'

Sheesh!

Truth Party Proponent said...

You think you hit a nerve? No sir. You took the bait.

First, let us deal with corrections: January of 2001 (not 1991) is when the Bush administration ordered the FBI to back off the bin Laden family. Although, dating back to 1996, the Clinton administration also hindered similar investigations. (Remember, I'm neither Democrap nor Repugnican)

I'm not sure where you got the impression that I think Israel did this. What I said was that they knew and that they warned the CIA - as did Russia, Egypt, Germany, and probably even the FBI.

Zim American Israeli Shipping moved from the WTC to Norfolk, NA on September 5, 2001 - breaking their lease in the process. (source: Online Wall Street Journal - list of former WTC tenants)

I'd break my lease too if I knew a plane was about to crash into my office.

You seem so insistent on making this into a religious or right versus left debate.

I simply don't have the energy (nor the typing prowess) to list all of the facts that prove otherwise.

Look up Prescott Bush on Wikipedia. Look up PNAC. Look up anything.

I had no idea certain elements in the Muslim world wanted to kill me so badly that they put it in CAPS.

Whom shall I fear more, those CAP wielding terrorists or an American Freedom Fighter insinuating that I'm better off dead because I disagree with him?

If you think you haven't been brainwashed by the mainstream media, note that you're obsessively quoting everything they've been feeding you.

I must be crazy to believe that trillions of dollars would be ample motive for anyone to kill us by the thousands.

No, it must be that "they hate us for our freedom." That's far more believable. It's because they're crazy religious fanatics!

Besides, we positively identified all the hijackers through DNA testing.

Wow, our government is awesome! Not only can they extract DNA samples from tons of pulverized concrete dust, molten metal and debris - but they can also compare it to the hijackers' DNA samples obtained from.... er... um... duh...

This just in - I am obviously part of the problem rather than the solution. Along with every other individual in this world who isn't devoid of rational thought.

The problem is that countless lies are being exposed, and nobody can come up with any credible answers.

Warren Report = 9/11 Commission Report = BS

When this is all over, it will be interesting if anyone ever calculates and reports how much our government has spent in its effort to misinform us.

FF, the difference between you and me is obvious. You're trying to convince me of your point of view, while resenting mine (to the death, no less). I'm simply trying to get you (and anyone else who reads this) to do some research by sharing some of mine.

Every major intelligence outfit in the West knew Saddam had stocks of WMD's? Saddam was an active supporter of Islamic terrorism?

You call these clues? These are blatant lies! Let me guess, these other western countries didn't join our (so-called) coalition because... they were chicken? Or could it possibly be because they believed the last two U.N. inspectors who say there was nothing there?

Did you really use "toying with the idea of obtaining uranium" in this debate?

Are you referring to forged Iraq-Niger documents? Do you think they weren't forged or was Saddam 'toying' in other ways?

The nuclear weapons lie isn't even at issue anymore, seeing as how it's now common knowledge that Iraq had no nuclear capabilities whatsoever. Even the administration gave up on that one a long time ago. At least have the decency to research your own side of this debate.

But now that we have him, we should definitely charge him with 'suspicion of toying'.

I really was hoping you had something tangible to add to this little debate.

I run myself through the 'conspiracy theorist' filter almost every day since I began my research.

Like you, I would love to believe that our government has our best interests in mind as it wages war.

Unfortunately, nobody has been able to refute these facts with anything but denials and statements.

Not one proven fact. And I'm even giving you the benefit of doubt that you can come up with one where this administation can't. That's how generous I am. That's how badly I want to be proven wrong.

The real irony in all of is the number of people who are currently trying to destroy our constitution who will end up pleading the fifth.

Freedom Fighter said...

No, I think I hit a nerve, with all respect.This isn't so much a debate as an opportunity for you to let fly with some pretty fallacious `theories'.

If you want to seriously believe that 9/11 was an `inside job' and a conspiracy by the PNAC, and that Saddam had no ties to Islamic terrorism , fine by me.

As far as 9/11 goes, you've presented ZERO evidence of an `inside' job except for couple of coincidences. On the other hand, I know eyewitnesses that saw the planes hit the towers...and there are pictures and eyewitness reports galore. Again, this is obviously a major part of your life and I don't want to ruin it for you..but save it for Daily Kos or something.

Likewise, if you don't feel Saddam was involved with Islamic terrorism, didn't have any WMD's, was not out trying to buy uranium and was perfectly harmless, the last thing I want to do is disturb you.

The British Butler report, Able/Danger, The widespread and frequent presence of terrorists like Abu Nidal and Imad Mugniyeh in Iraq, Saddam's own little terrorist training camp complete with a mock up of a 747 in SalPack, Saddam's own scientists and generals who claim that the know-how existed and that substantial materials were shipped to Syria prior to our invasion in right-wing, Bush apologist organs like the NY Times and some of the tapes and documents recently declassified and released by the DOD say different.

Sorry, `truth'. You're not dealing with an idiot.

(BTW, The Butler report was the equivalent of our 9/11 commisiion, and M15 were the people that first revealed that Saddam had sent a major delegation to Niger. Since the only thing Niger produces is peanuts and uranium, I have a feeling they weren't there for the peanuts. And the Butler Report, while fairly critical of Tony Blair in many respects still stands by that intel.)

I don't recall saying you were better off dead..merely that you are part of the problem we have on the home front in fighting this war rather than part of the solution.

President Bush, in some ways, has been part of the problem too, but I give him credit for at least fighting half a war. I've seen nothing to change my opinion of his integrity, even though I have some questions about his judgement.

One more thing: given the virulent hatred President Bush enjoys in a significant part of the population, if there was a shred of real evidence that he committed treason, I guarantee you that this evidence would be front page headlines as his enemies, especially in Congress attempted to not only have him hung, but light cigarettes under his feet while he was swinging.

Sorry, no sale.

Truth Party Proponent said...

On a side note, I've always found it ironic that words preceding or following "with all (due) repect" almost invariably indicate the exact opposite intent.

To say 9/11 was an 'inside job' is speculation. I've never once stated that I believe that. What I do believe is that the Bush administration knew. I believe that they are lying to us. And I know that they are not answering critical questions that would quell all of these conspiracy theorists.

You know eyewitnesses that saw the planes hit the towers... and there are pictures and eyewitness reports galore.

And your point is... ????? You know people that aren't blind?

Are you implying that I don't think planes hit the towers? Now THAT would be one hell of a conspiracy theory.

So, the Butler Report was the equivalent of our 9/11 Commission?

Therefore, Warren Report = 9/11 Commision Report = Butler Report = BS?

Seriously, I really don't need the help you're giving me here.

I wouldn't go so far as to say this is a major part of my life. I would say that it has been preoccupying my mind for the better part of a month.

But I can't figure out how to avoid having that happen when no logical explanation has ever been given for very basic questions.

As an engineer, I eat logic for breakfast, lunch, and dinner every day. I've made million dollar decisions based on cold, calculated facts and figures.

I can't even get into speculation because I need answers first.

Popular Mechanics recently released a book: Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand up to the Facts.

Davin Coburn, research editor for Popular Mechanics, recently got (figuratively) slaughtered on KFNX 1100 in Pheonix, AZ. by Charles Goyette. He was simply not able to answer any pertinent questions with anything that resembled logic.(http://www.apfn.net/pogo/A003I060823-am-c3.MP3)

I challenge anyone to provide a reason why confiscated video, remains evidence... anything to do with 9/11... is kept secret under the blanket of "national security."

Are we afraid that we'll be giving a blueprint for future endeavors?

Davin Coburn claims to have seen photos of WTC Building 7 showing that about 25% of its south face was 'carved out' by debris from the collapse of the WTC north tower. Apparently, these photos are the property of the NYPD. Of course, Popular Mechanics was prohibited from disseminating these photos.

So we can safely conclude that these photos are classified information.. except in cases where you're writing a book that attempts to debunk conspiracy theorists' claims?

Well, so long as terrorists don't get to see damage to a building that later collapsed, I think we're all safe now.

So why am I the only person contributing here?

Beats me. It's your blog.

I'm not selling, FF. I'm just asking.

Speaking of which, I've asked my questions. You clearly have no answers.

Freedom Fighter said...

The reason no one is `contributing' is simply because they realize, as I do, that your tactic is to state something and then deny you said when you're confronted.

Kind of a waste of time on all sides.

You're right. it's impossible to answer ill informed nonsense.

Truth Party Proponent said...

I know that you can read. I also know that you scoured through our entire debate for a place where I state that 9/11 was an inside job... and you came up with nothing you could quote me on.

It is truly sad to see someone of obviously high intellect seemingly blinded by political allegiance.

I can only hope that you're secretly updating your familiarity on the subject by following up on the sources I've listed.

And so I will end my input to this correspondence with an exception to an aforementioned irony, and with all due respect.

Freedom Fighter said...

"The official government story is STILL that Oswald killed Kennedy. I want to vote for a leader who will tell me the truth. The truth about Kennedy... about the OKC bombings... about 9/11."
*********************
"Fact: Larry Silverstein (WTC leaseholder) says in an interview on PBS that WTC Building 7 was "pulled" (trade term for controlled demolition).

Speculation: First of all, controlled demolitions take weeks (minimum) to plan. How did they pull that one off? Those charges had to be pre-placed and ready to go. All the eye-witnesses (including firefighters in the building) kept referring to multiple explosions going off all over the place. Samples of molten metal reveal thermate (sulfur, potassium & manganese), used to cut through high strength steel.

The structures collapsed at near free-fall speed. Maybe the towers were "pulled" too.

Fact: The original hole in the Pentagon was 16 feet in diameter, and pierced through 9 feet of reinforced concrete. No wreckage was visible outside of the pentagon in any photograph or video. No video has ever been released showing a plane hitting the Pentagon. However, our honest government was kind enough to provide us with a simulation.

"Speculation: Well, it's hard to call a 757 disappearing through a 16 foot hole anything short of impossible, but speculation comes into the picture when we start asking ourselves where the real planes went."

"Google the following if you wish to learn more:

911 Coverup
911 Truth
Mike Ruppert
In Plane Sight
The Great Deception
The Great Conspiracy
911 Loose Change
The Whole Truth About the Iraq War

If you want to take speculation to a new and scary level, Google Alex Jones or Illuminati."
**********************

"I must be crazy to believe that trillions of dollars would be ample motive for anyone to kill us by the thousands.

No, it must be that "they hate us for our freedom." That's far more believable. It's because they're crazy religious fanatics!"
********************

"Warren Report = 9/11 Commission Report = BS"

Nuff said.

Truth Party Proponent said...

Okay, I said I'd end my input to this correspondence. Apparently, your need to get the last word in trumps your ability to lick your wounds and move on. And so I will indulge your masochistic tendencies this one final time.

I will now resort to using words no longer than seven letters long with hopes that you may grasp that which seems to have eluded you thus far.

I'd ..try ...typing... slower... for... you.. but the ... dots... may ... make.. it... too ... hard ... for you ... to... follow.... along.

The quotes you chose were great proof... of why I believe they are lying and why I think there's a cover up.

They are not proof that I think 9/11 was an inside job.

The bridge between the lies/cover up belief and the 'inside job' belief is the bridge I cannot cross - not without answers first.

Why I've had to repeat that so many times to you is beyond me. Perhaps it is because your mind makes it connect in an effort to create an entire story. In order to see my point for what it is, you have to force your mind to build a wall in the middle of that bridge.

Contrary to what you seem to think, I'm not trying to make you or anyone else connect the dots. I can't expect you to guess the whole story any better than the next guy. Apart from Alex Jones, the people who make these films don't guess. They point out obvious lies and ask what the real answer is. Hence my original plea to 'seek the truth.'

If you care as much about this country as you seem to, you would want answers too - even if it is just to shut up the askers - for the sake of the health and unity of this country going forward.

As you are surely aware, it is our leaders' duty to serve us. As elected heads, they should also answer to us. When they choose to serve and answer to John Doe Corp., it is our duty to speak out and remind them that our country isn't meant to be run that way.

Trading privacy and freedom for safety is a stupid concept. They can buy all the media they want, but they can't turn me into a stupid person.

As for others, I present to them your quotes as issues to look into. If they choose not to follow up, so be it. If they do follow up and have no desire for answers, then so be it. At least now they have been made aware of issues that the media isn't even talking about.

That having been said, I will now revert back to my full vocabulary. FTR, I would have to advise against using this form of condescendence, as it is extremely difficult to pull off for an extended period of time. In retrospect, the dots may have been easier after all.

If you still can't see that my point was to present facts, to indicate the speculation that having no answers leads to, and to call on people who may not have been aware of these facts to decide whether or not they feel there are questions in need of answers, then you're as utterly hopeless as any effort would be to not make this a run-on sentence.

Freedom Fighter said...

Truth, you are truly hilarious!

Run along now...I hear Wal Mart has a sale on tinfoil for your hat.

Oh, and by the way..your right to `freedom' and `privacy' ends when you impact someone else's.

I realize that the concept of freedom and responsibility is somewhat foreign to you, but it DOES exist. And frankly, I don't think the majority of Americans feel a lot more threatened by the sort of rulings a political leftist hack like Judge Taylor Diggs makes than by the Patriot Act.