Friday, September 21, 2012

Obama Caught In Another Lie At Univision Over Fast And Furious

President Obama's attempted pander fest at the Univision forum yielded yet another outright lie, and the president was busted by Jake Tapper's political Punch at ABC News:

Asked about the Fast and Furious program at the Univision forum on Thursday, President Obama falsely claimed that the program began under President George W. Bush.
“I think it’s important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program  was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration,” the president said. “When Eric Holder found out about it, he discontinued it. We assigned a inspector general to do a thorough report that was just issued, confirming that in fact Eric Holder did not know about this, that he took prompt action and the people who did initiate this were held accountable.”

As ABC points out,President Obama is lying through his teeth on this one. 'Fast and Furious' started October 2009, nine months into the Obama presidency. It's their baby.

The Bush program, called 'Wide Receiver' had some important differences with the Obama program. A fraction of the amount of weapons were shipped over the border, there was active surveillance and   tracking devices installed on all of them and most importantly, 'Wide Receiver' was done with the full knowledge and cooperation of the Mexican government.

None of this is true about 'Fast and Furious' .

Also unlike 'Fast and Furious' no one died as a result of 'Wide Receiver'. It was the Bush Administration, NOT Eric Holder who terminated Wide Receiver in early 2008 when they realized that the tracking devices had developed problems, but thanks to the active surveillance almost all the  weapons were recovered safely. Compare that to Fast and Furious, where hardly any of the weapons were recovered because there was no active surveillance, only a small amount of the weapons have been recovered, and the Mexican government is outraged because of this blatant violation of their sovereignty was carried out without their knowledge, and the political fallout for them was horrendous. Over  300 deaths of Mexican nationals resulted from Obama's 'Fast and Furious' as well as the death of an American border patrol agent, Brian Terry.

Certainly the Latino audience at the Univision Forum deserves to  know how cavalierly the Obama Administration treated the lives of Mexican nationals.

I frankly am sick and tired of this president's consistent failure to man up and take responsibility for anything. He probably blames his caddy for his golf score.

Many men are said to have grown as a result of the challenges of the presidency. Barack Obama has not. He continues, at heart, to be the community organizer and Chicago pol he was before, constantly looking for loopholes and ways to  point the finger at others for his failures.


DiploMad said...

I have been writing about this over at The Diplomad 2.0 at

Thanks. Love your site.

louielouie said...

yet another outright lie,

i disagree with ff on this.
if you read the transcript of hussein's answer, every sentence of the transcript contains a lie.
and as the sentences cover different subject matter, start/stop dates, eric holder knowing/not knowing, etc., etc., that would constitute a plurality of lies.
not singular as ff suggests.

louielouie said...

it doesn't matter really.
no one is going to call him on it.
absolutely no one.
no one.

B.Poster said...

I think the Mexicans had full knowledge of fast and furious and very likley had a lead role in planning the whole thing. Now that the whole thing seems to have failed and blown up, they are pretending outrage because 1.)it plays well for domestic audiences and 2.)simply blame the Americans. No one will investigate Mexican involvement. Anti-Americanism is easy and. if someone gets to close in an investigation to the Nexican leadership, they simply shout"RACISM."

The Mexicans can very easily go before the UN general assembly on this and get a resolution condeming the Americans for Fast and Furious. Also, jusdges on the ICC would like nothing more than to prosecute and convict American leaders on ANYTHING. Other options are to go before the WTO and have them implement crippling trade sanctions against the Americans. They'd love to do this. I suspect the Mexicans have never done this is becuase they played a lead role in Fast and Furios and don't wish to be exposed.

Now with all of this said it is vitally important that the Americans get to the bottom of this with a thorough and complete investigation allowing the chips to fall where they may. This will stop the Mexicans from using this for political gain. Also, if America prosecuted and convicts the folks involved in this on its end, this mkade it more difficult for Mexico to get results taking the courses of action I lay out above.

After all we would have already dealt with the problem on our end. As is said in a crisis situation, this is "getting out in front." Mexico can conduct its own investigation. As for the Aemrican government in its investigation of Fast and Furious, Mexico should be allowed to participate as an equal partner and hopefully they would reciprocrate that on their end as they investigate.

As for violations of Mexican soverignty, this does seem likely to have occurred on some level. Depending upon how much involvement the Mexican government had in this would likely have an effect on just how blantant this violation actually was. Given that Mexico has brazenly violated America;s soverignty for decades, the fact that their soverignty got violated should come as no surprise. Since they have not resepcted Aemrica's soverignty, it should come as no surprise that the Aemrican government did not fully respexct theirs.

I think the biblical law of sowing reaping applies here. You reap what you sew. Disrespect for the soverignty of your northern neighbor = disprect for your own soveringty. This should shock no one.

What a truly sad situation. America can address this on its own side by conducting the thorough and complete investigation I suggest above and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law ANYONE in its government who was involved in this. This has the effexcs of 1.)helping to establish good faith with Mexico which is vitally important to our economic and security interests and 2.) it helps head off the nightmare situation of the UN, ICC, and other international bodies getting involved in witch hunts against us which would likely lead to severer sanctions against us that would have devestating effects on our seucrity interests and our economic interests.

Get o the bottom of this and stop playing politics with it!! This applies to both Republicans and Democrats. Failure to properlty investigate and sanction the guilty parites will have devestating effects on our interests on so many levels its hard to calculate.