tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16816866.post1046149214294930809..comments2024-02-29T02:10:56.878-08:00Comments on J O S H U A P U N D I T: Obama Lied, Knew Millions Would Lose Their Health InsuranceFreedom Fighterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13649470110087808596noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16816866.post-63557607795061172212013-10-29T19:03:52.567-07:002013-10-29T19:03:52.567-07:00Considering the historically low turnout in 2012 a...Considering the historically low turnout in 2012 as well as the fact almost half of America pays no taxes, I think it's a stretch to say Americans 'want' single payer, assuming a lot of them even know what it is.<br /><br />BTW, some anonymous troll posted a comment I didn't print (I don't post deliberate disinformation, especially from 'Anonymous') with polls 'showing' a slim majority of Americans want single payer.<br /><br />Only thing was, everything cited was from two partisan sites advocating for this, the polls were as much a ten years old, many of the people conducting the polls have a history of cooking them and there were no mechanics shown. I think you've seen me take these apart before.<br /><br />Plus, looking at the questions and the way they were phrased made it obvious a lot of the respondents were deliberately gamed, as they frequently are in agenda driven polls of this sort.<br /><br />If I took a poll in a low income urban neighborhood populated by ObamaBot Democrats, you can bet they'd want single payer. There's unlimited demand for free stuff someone else pays for.<br /><br />I doubt Americans as a whole are all that enthusiastic about Sovietizing the American health care system.<br /><br />Regards,<br />RobRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13332213651195340500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16816866.post-4034753549885769302013-10-29T18:43:50.347-07:002013-10-29T18:43:50.347-07:00The evidence for the claim is twofold. 1.)Observe...The evidence for the claim is twofold. 1.)Observe the voting patterns of the people and how they answer various interview questions when posed. From this you will realize that America is politically a left of center nation. 2.)In my career path it is vitally important that I gain all relevant information. In order to do this, I need to be able to ascertain the correct information from how people answer various questions. These people tend to be VERY, VERY Conservative fiscally, socially, and in voting patterns. Furthermore they tend to strongly support the principles advocated by tea party type individuals. A majority of these people either would support single payer health care or could be persuaded to IF it could be demonstrated how the plan will lower the exorbitant cost. This was true in 2010 and is still true today. If staunch conservatives were/are ready for single payer health care, then it seems reasonable that a majority of Americans are. <br /><br />If the idea behind ObamaCare is/was to gain power for team Obama and his supporters, the law makes sense only IF it works. If it does not work, team Obama's credibility is damaged very likely beyond repair, the electorate is less likely to trust him, his team, or his party with any thing of this magnitude ever again. Additionally having witnessed a government failure of this magnitude the American people might be less willing to embrace the idea of single payer health care than they were in 2010.<br /><br />Assuming the goal really is single payer health care the intermediate step of ObamaCare would have been unnecessary. Simply go straight to it, market it, and pick off the Republicans needed to pass it and avoid a filibuster. <br /><br />The intermediate step undermines the ultimate goal in this case!! Doesn't make sense. Maybe they want single payer health care introduced by the Republicans, as they would not be trusted after failure of intermediate step of ObamaCare. This does not seem likely either. Also, there's mr. Obama's vast ego which further makes it unlikely that he is going to deliberately design something to fail.<br /><br />I think we both agree that ObamaCare is destructive on so many levels it's hard to know where to even start and this law needs to be opposed with every measure possible. B.Posternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16816866.post-37164063606975127592013-10-29T15:16:04.827-07:002013-10-29T15:16:04.827-07:00'Most of America wants a single payer system&#...'Most of America wants a single payer system' - do you have any evidence whatsoever to back up that statement?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13332213651195340500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16816866.post-68266229806039589902013-10-29T13:51:36.027-07:002013-10-29T13:51:36.027-07:00Yes, I'm aware they wanted a single payer syst...Yes, I'm aware they wanted a single payer system. Most of America wants a single payer system. This was the case even before ObamaCare came along and is still the case. If ObamaCare does turn out to be the epic fail that many "experts" seem to be predicting, I don't see how anyone is going to trust team Obama to manage health care or any thing else for that matter.<br /><br />Failure in this arena makes a single payer less likely not more likely. Also, there's the matter of Mr. Obama's ego. I don't think his ego would allow him to design something designed to fail. If the purpose was/is to transfer more power to himself and his cronies, then that makes sense but this only works if the plan succeeds. If it fails, it is a loss for single payer health care and it is a bigger loss for Mr. Obama and his team. Single payer health care would likely recover but Mr. Obama likely never would recover politically. <br /><br />If the votes were not there for single payer health care, either Mr. Reid did not push for them or he is lying. Lying is nothing new for politicians of all stripes. I lean in the direction he is lying. After all needed Republican votes have always been there for a single payer health care system. It seems unlikely they just suddenly went away. <br /><br />Sorry for the length of the post. If single payer is the goal, the "stepping stone" of ObamaCare is not necessary. Simply go to single payer straight away and pick off the Republican votes you need to pass it and avoid a filibuster. Given the popularity of such a system among the electorate, it would have been among the easiest things for a politician to do. <br /><br />With that said a number of liberal commentators, while admitting to the failures of ACA and blaming team Obama for them, they do see the "silver lining" for them at least in that this could lead to a single payer health care system. It does not help Mr. Reid though, as he's to close ACA to benefit. <br /><br />Essentially no one who participated in ACA will be able to have any thing to do with designing the single payer health care system. In fact, if it fails in a manner that many "experts" are predicting this failure, the lies associated with it, and the various NSA scandals specifically involving European "allies" will make it problematic at best for Mr. Obama to remain out of prison.<br /><br />It seems unlikely that a politician would design a system that was supposed to fail, damaging his credibility beyond repair, and risking prison time in order to get to a place (single payer health care) that most Americans would support or it would not take much convincing to get them there!! <br /><br />Maybe there's some grand plan here to blame the Republicans for ACA's failure. It'd be a bit difficult since they were shut out of the process but not impossible I suppose. This would be about the only way that Mr. Obama and the Democrats could maintain enough credibility to have any part in developing the single payer system you suggest they are actually striving for.<br /><br />When single payer health care becomes a reality, I'd suggest looking at the Canadian system and trying to implement as much of it as we can. According to most reports it seems to be far better than the one America had before ACA. Perhaps this is why the Republican leadership vehemently opposed tea party efforts to derail ACA. Their resistance seems to have been against single payer health care all together. <br />The Republican leadership may have plans to introduce a single payer health care system of their own and resistance to this needed to be quelled within Republican ranks. <br />B.Posternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16816866.post-6704454236500859022013-10-29T12:57:47.125-07:002013-10-29T12:57:47.125-07:00I disagree with you that ObamaCare wasn't engi...I disagree with you that ObamaCare wasn't engineered to fail on purpose, Poster. So does Harry Reid and a host of other Democrats, all of whom have said how much they wanted single payer but the votes just weren't there for it.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13332213651195340500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16816866.post-10912943752476787442013-10-29T10:14:51.403-07:002013-10-29T10:14:51.403-07:00What? You mean Obamacare ISN'T the greatest th...What? You mean Obamacare ISN'T the greatest thing since sliced bread? (Yes, my premium just tripled and yes, I am bitter about it. What 51-YO menopausal woman should HAVE to have and pay for maternity coverage?!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16816866.post-20777818566155822852013-10-29T08:54:35.655-07:002013-10-29T08:54:35.655-07:00"Obamacare's failure is what was planned ..."Obamacare's failure is what was planned from the start..." If the health care plan is truly about power and control for Mr. Obama and his team, then it seems a mystery to me that it would be deliberately designed to fail. If ACA fails, then quite the opposite would likely ensue. It would mean less power and control for team Obama and might even adversely affect government power in general. <br /><br />After a failure of this magnitude assuming it really does fail along the magnitude that some people seem to think that it will/is failing, it seems unlikely that anyone would trust Mr. Obama with any thing again and they would much more wary than they currently are to trust the government. Perhaps some of the low information voters might still trust him to run a single payer system after this. <br /><br />If the end goal is a single payer health system, the mid step of ACA was/is unnecessary. There was/is enough support among Republicans to get such a measure passed into law. All of these things like "reconciliation" and locking Republicans out of the room when passing it would have been unnecessary. <br /><br />The main problem with the US healthcare system is the exorbitant cost associated with it. ACA does nothing to address this and makes it worse. This is why it is opposed. Additionally no one knew what was in the bill when it was passed.<br /><br />If the US is serious about addressing its problems, a good place to start would be by studying Canada our neighbor to the north. As I understand it, they have a single payer system that is far better even than the one we had prior to ACA. Additionally a bit off topic but Canada only spends a fraction of what the US spends on military expenditures and it does not have forces stationed all around the world where they are unable to adequately defend their homeland. <br /><br />While Canada is well respected around the world, the US is almost universally reviled. The US should closely study Canada in terms of its health care system, its economic policies, and its foreign policies and try to implement as much as possible. We likely will not be able to implement every thing Canada does as we are a different country but studying Canada would be a great place to star. Canadians are generally wealthier than Americans, have access to better health care than Americans, have more economic opportunities than do typical Americans, and Canada is respected internationally. America is not. Perhaps we could learn something from Canada. B.Posternoreply@blogger.com