tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16816866.post8465167766538153881..comments2024-02-29T02:10:56.878-08:00Comments on J O S H U A P U N D I T: Geert Wilders Arrested At Heathrow - Denied Entry Into UKFreedom Fighterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13649470110087808596noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16816866.post-28559348915835523352009-02-13T16:31:00.000-08:002009-02-13T16:31:00.000-08:00Why is it nowadays when someone attacks Islam they...<B>Why is it nowadays when someone attacks Islam they are defended on the basis of freedom of speech even when they are clearly preaching hatred. </B><BR/><BR/>You don't understand. You see, people seem to buy into the Leftist education meme that hate is bad. Just like violence is a bad thing. War is a bad thing.<BR/><BR/>But no, hate of evil is a virtuous act and a trait of goodness. Those that don't hate evil, are not virtuous. They may not be full of vice, but they are not virtuous. This is Aristotle I am speaking of. Classical Greek philosophy.Ymarsakarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11246906722493964175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16816866.post-82322146824885184202009-02-13T10:28:00.000-08:002009-02-13T10:28:00.000-08:00Hi Kirk,First of all, thanks for having the courag...Hi Kirk,<BR/>First of all, thanks for having the courage to disagree with the consensus on this thread. That's never easy.<BR/><BR/>As I think you know, this is hardly a 'hate Islam' site, but unfortunately, if we're being honest we have to acknowledge that the radical, jihadist form of Islam is growing in influence, largely through the Saudi wahabist control of mosques and madrassahs in America through ISNA. ( a search on this site will goive you quite a bit of reading material on this subject).<BR/><BR/>I oppose this not only because of the attitude towards women, Jews and other non-believers but because I don't want to end up having to hide my Muslim friends in my basement from the mobs.<BR/><BR/>The Wilders bit in Britain, however, is a different story.<BR/><BR/>Wilders' position is essentially that existing laws in the EU that ban speech and writings that encourage racism and violence(ie Mein Kampf) should also be applied to the Qu'ran and to certain mosques and Imams. Agree with it or not, it is a legitimate legal argument for debate if you hav eactually read the Qu'ran and Hadiths and more importantly, look at the use some Muslims have made of what's there to justify the most horrendous brutality...much of it perpetrated against fellow Muslims.<BR/><BR/>And he produced a film, using <I>actual historical events</I> and <I>actual quotations</I> from the Qu'ran as proof of his argument ( as opposed to Holocaust deniers, who <I> deny historical fact</I> and evidence to make theirs). <BR/><BR/>Another difference is that Holocaust deniers are not living under 24 hour guard or being threatened with death because of their views. Wilders is. And when he was invited to come to England to present those views, the British government was threatened with violent riots by Lord Ahmad, a Muslim Peer ( and incidentally, a Holocaust denier) should he be allowed in the country. <BR/><BR/>Far from combatting extremism, this has fueled it. First, it has given Muslim extremists a victory that they will use to up the ante to suppress free speech and any criticism of radical Islam, and eventually any opposition to it and its agenda.<BR/><BR/>Second, by denying Wilders entry, the British government provided him with de facto proof of his arguments that Islam in anti-freedom and there is a double standard going on here, and with invaluable publicity. Downloads and internet views of his movie shot through the roof after this incident, and if there was anti-Muslim sentiment, this encouraged it.<BR/><BR/>RE: Fitna, a Candian Muslim sent me a video rebutting the film which I put on site, together with my <A HREF="http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2008/12/response-to-fitna-and-response-from-me.html" REL="nofollow">response</A> to the video and an invitation to him to discuss it, which I also sent via e-mail.<BR/><BR/>It's notable ( and unfortunate) that he chose not to answer.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>RobFreedom Fighterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13649470110087808596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16816866.post-15812241152948182632009-02-13T08:14:00.000-08:002009-02-13T08:14:00.000-08:00I'm sorry for having to disagree with you on this ...I'm sorry for having to disagree with you on this issue. It is really unfortunate as I've been on your side about Obama.<BR/><BR/>I respect Britain for acknowledging that extremism in all its form is bad. It will only spur hatred and facism.<BR/><BR/>Why is it nowadays when someone attacks Islam they are defended on the basis of freedom of speech even when they are clearly preaching hatred. <BR/><BR/>What about those bishops who were heavily criticised and eventualy one of them was removed by the Society of St Pius X just for having an opinion denying the holocaust. Doesn't he deserve to have the same freedom to belive what he wants?<BR/><BR/>Nowadays people have forgotten that freedom comes with responsibilities. You can't have one and abandon the other.<BR/><BR/>To use your logic, Wilders has chosen to express his freedom and therefore he has to bare and live with the consequences of the choices he made. Same goes for the holocaust-denying bishops.<BR/><BR/>It is unfair for you to judge the whole Muslim community just from the act of several extrimist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16816866.post-76146199932096309342009-02-12T17:07:00.000-08:002009-02-12T17:07:00.000-08:00When is the US going to have to threaten retaliato...When is the US going to have to threaten retaliatory MIRV launches on Europe if their nukes either fall into terrorist hands or are launched from European (Muslim) control?<BR/><BR/>When a Khomeini coup occurs, before, after?Ymarsakarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11246906722493964175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16816866.post-20899714516459239682009-02-12T16:15:00.000-08:002009-02-12T16:15:00.000-08:00I know how you feel Yokel. Those are my people eat...I know how you feel Yokel. Those are my people eating their own across the North Sea from you!Christian Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10261503066045033010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16816866.post-65771466688812704842009-02-12T14:52:00.000-08:002009-02-12T14:52:00.000-08:00FF, I'm even more reminded of another Brit's wor...FF,<BR/> I'm even more reminded of another Brit's words." Peace in our time!"<BR/>Shameful, just shameful. I'm more frightened everyday.Christian Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10261503066045033010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16816866.post-64630465144265248542009-02-12T14:50:00.000-08:002009-02-12T14:50:00.000-08:00Yokel hangs his head in shame.Yokel hangs his head in shame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16816866.post-52018166855576312552009-02-12T13:04:00.000-08:002009-02-12T13:04:00.000-08:00The bicentenary of the birth of the Great Emancipa...The bicentenary of the birth of the Great Emancipator, Abraham Lincoln. The bicentenary of Charles Darwin's birth. --&, yet, we still have to deal with such elementary evils as censorship of the opinions of peaceful, pro-peace individuals in the West. How ironic & sad. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. The more things change, the more that it is the same thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com