Tuesday, September 30, 2014

A Good Example Of How Islamist Apologists Lie About What's In The Bible


I frequently find that Islamist apologists ( and many atheists) have a cute if deplorable habit - they attempt to rationalize or make trivial the brutality committed in the name of Islam by citing out of context Biblical verses to show that 'all religion is the same' or that the Qu'ran and the Bible are similar.

Here's a good example I'd thought I'd share with you that appeared in the comments section of a Breitbart Article about the scandal of Muslim pedophile rape gangs in Rotherham, UK and the local police and government's deliberate and knowing failure to deal with it in the name of political correctness while over 1,400 young British girls were victimized.

In response to a statement that there's nothing in the Bible that allows this kind of behavior, one 'Dr. Polidori' responded:

"... kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, save alive for yourselves." - Numbers 31:17-18

Sounds pretty damning, doesn't it? At least until you know the whole story.

This verse specifically refers to the Midianites and it is not a guide to behavior towards any other  people or wars in the future. Numbers 25 tells how the Midianites, specifically the women, led the Israelites astray into worshiping the idol Baal, and kindled G-ds anger so that He struck the Israelites with a plague, which only ended when Pinchas, the grandson of Aaron, killed an Israelite man and the Midianite woman he brought into his family (Numbers 25:6-9).

That's why the women 'who had lain with man' were to be killed but the ones whom hadn't were spared. Moses was concerned that the Midianite women 'who had lain with men', including Israelites would corrupt the Hebrew nation and lead them into sin and idolatry again.

This verse also implies ('save alive for yourselves') that the Isrealites took the Midianite virgins as spoils and sex slaves. Nothing could be further from the truth.

For one thing, it would have been sinful for the Israelite men to rape the Midianite girls because rape was (and still is) abhorrent and sinful to G-d (Deuteronomy 22:23-28, esp. 25).

And secondly, the Torah, unlike the Qu'ran with its' 'What thy right hand possesses' doctrine (Qu'ran 4:24) specifically forbids such behavior.

In Deuteronomy 20-14, it states explicitly that female captives are NOT to be raped or sold into slavery but to shave their heads and cut their nails ( to make them less desirable to their captors) and are to be allowed 30 days to mourn without being enslaved,molested or coerced in any way - after which they are free to leave or to be married to their captors.

Only a truly perverse mentality would attempt to rationalize what's being done in the name of Islam by promulgating a vile lie about something that was actually an attempt to mitigate the fate of women captured in war and their status as booty.

The usual disclaimer..many Muslims likewise would never indulge in the sort of behavior  characterized by Qu'ran 4:24  and numerous other places in the Qu'ran and Hadiths. But the fact remains that there is definitely a religious justification for this treatment of women, especially non-Muslims, and that a substantial number of Muslims adhere to that interpretation of Islam, including many prominent imams,  Qaddis, clerics and scholars of both Sunni and Shi'te Islam.

We see this in action every day, and until we admit it instead of rationalizing it, it's going to not only continue but to become even more blatant.



Craig said...

Violence in the Bible is DESCRIPTIVE. Violence in the koran is PROSCRIPTIVE.

Boston Patriot said...


Anonymous said...

Violence in the Bible is DESCRIPTIVE. Violence in the koran is PROSCRIPTIVE.

God disagrees with you. Don't get on his bad side....I don't know if you've read the bible, but he's kind of thin-skinned...

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Rob said...

What Deuteronomy 17.12 actually says is this:

And the man who acteth with presumption, so as not to hearken unto the priest (who is standing to serve there thy G-d), or unto the judge, even that man hath died, and thou hast put away the evil thing from Israel.

(translated literally from the Hebrew)

Don't we punish people who disobey the law, sometimes even with death? And as the context makes clear, the Bible is talking about deliberate sacrilege and disrespect for law, the Lord and the High Priest.

The verse from Exodus is talking about idolatry, since that was the only 'religion' that existed at that time aside from Judaism.The practices of idolatry back then included human sacrifice, ritual prostitution, flagellation (ritual flogging) mutilation and a whole lot of other practices you probably don't have a problem with,but most decent society does, at least today.

And as a matter of fact, nowhere in this verse or the one from Exodus does it say that the person will be EXECUTED. What it says is that the evil must be purged from Israel and that the person was doomed if he practiced idolatry, which could simply mean being cast out of Israel's society or simply divine retribution.

I realize this is a stretch for you, But ancient Israel rarely if ever used capital punishment, and Israel today has none, something I disagree with BTW, but them's the facts, Anon.

On the other hand, people are murdered, raped and tortured every day in the name of Islam.

Just maybe you ought to be more concerned about that than this febrile screed aimed at the Bible.

Besides, you obviously have contempt for believing Jews and Christians anyway.So why bother?

louielouie said...

i thought it was hilarious, and so does anon, this past monday night, a kansas city player intercepted a tom brady pass and returned it for a touchdown, or in footballspeak, a pick six.
the defensive player immediately went to his knees, both, stuck his butt in the air extended his arms and laid the palms of his hands on the turf. the isalmist prayer position.
the player was flagged for celebration and the chiefs were penalized 15 yards on the ensuing kickoff.
this is the part anon thinks is funny.
the next morning, before breakfast, the NFL issued a statement that the penalty for celebration was an error, and the player should not have been flagged.
what was the name of this defensive back?
hussain abdullah.
why would even have to ask?
if the defensive back had made the sign of the cross, anon would have soiled hisself.