Wednesday, April 10, 2013

Senate Reveals 2nd Amendment 'Compromise' - As Gun Confiscation Begins In New York

Senators Pat Toomey(R-PA) and Joe Manchin ( D-WV)appeared today at a news conference to reveal the outline of the new Senate sponsored bill on gun control. Essentially, it expands background checks for commercial gun purchases and includes gun shows and internet sales.It would exempt personal transfers from the checks, the so-called “friends and neighbors exceptions”. The proposed bill would also call for yet another federal commission to study "mass violence”.

The odd thing about this is that anyone who's purchased firearms knows that you already need to go through a background check to buy a weapon at a gun show or over the 'net. Just do a search for online gun sales, click on any link and you'll see that the retailer tells you that your purchase will be delivered to a local seller with a Federal Firearms License (FFL) for a background check before you can obtain it, and that your home state's waiting period applies.Same with gun shows. So why all the fuss? And why would the NRA already announce its opposition?

 Simple, for a couple of very good reasons.

 What's going on here is a modification of the Second Amendment without due constitutional process, and that sets an important and disturbing precedent. In order to modify or repeal an existing amendment or pass a new one, congress must first pass the legislation and then it must be ratified by two thirds of the states to become law. What we have here amounts to a federalized attempt to weaken our right to bear arms, and I guarantee that this is only the first step if it succeeds.

This has never happened before,let alone on any part of the Bill of Rights. Federalizing this also makes gun ownership a federal concern, and facilitates the recording of data on who owns guns - and their eventual confiscation - a much simpler task. it's simply universal registration under a different guise, and that's exactly why the ATF is creating that new and incredibly intrusive database of personal info I informed you about a few days ago.

 All this has happened before the legal challenges to some of the ridiculous new laws passed in places like California and Connecticut have even been adjudicated.

Also, there are some interesting and new provisions in the proposal. One of them will allow a doctor to add a patient to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) without ever informing the patient he or she has been added. No due process requirement required, and no criteria. A doctor can simply add a patient to the federal database as mentally ill without their knowledge...say, one of those 'psycho' Republican voting vets seeking help for PTSD or even someone seeking counseling for a family matter.

And as we all know, a lot of medical providers will add anyone to the list who might even remotely qualify as well as a lot of people who don't, just to keep predatory lawyers at bay.

Aside from having the potential to keep someone from going to the doctor in the first place to get help or counseling, once you're flagged in this fashion for whatever reason and found out about it, you could even find Big Government coming to confiscate any legally purchased firearms you own you're faced with taking on the federal bureaucracy to try and get yourself removed from the system.

Science fiction? It's already happening in New York:  

“John Doe, an upstanding professional with no outstanding criminal convictions and no history of violent action received a letter from the Pistol Permit Department informing him that his license was immediately revoked upon information that he was seeing a therapist for anxiety and had been prescribed an anxiety drug. He was never suicidal, never violent, and has no criminal history. The New York State Department of Health is apparently conducting a search of medical records to determine who is being treated for anxiety drugs and using this as a basis for handgun license revocation. It seems these supposedly confidential records are then compared against a list of known NY pistol license holders and letters are sent out demanding their Pistol Owner ID Cards be surrendered, as well as any firearms and accessories.

 Hey, why stop at violating the Second Amendment? Let's go after the 4th and 5th as well! According to, James Tresmond Esq., the attorney involved in this case in Erie County ('John Doe' is suing)his client is by no means alone.

Give it time, and Blue states will probably be effectively disarmed in five years or less by this and other provisions. And it may not just be Blue states.


louielouie said...

The New York State Department of Health is apparently conducting a search of medical records to determine who is being treated for anxiety drugs and using this as a basis for handgun license revocation.

i wonder if this list will be compared against NYPD officers?
for starters

independent patriot said...

Anxiety drugs? The only state reporting that is done in NY is if the medicine is a controlled substance. That also goes to the feds as well. These are powerful medications and used for some very life affecting illnesses.

If its simply a generally prescribed med (like for example zoloft) there is no way for the state to know about the medication unless someone violated the HIPPA laws.

Also it is up to the dr to decide if someone is a danger to society. Psychiatrists are required by law to notify the police and the state. This is the issue behind the negligence with James Holmes. Apparently the psychiatrist said he was a danger to others and reported it but nothing was done by anyone.

And yes those being treated for PTSD should be looked at and examined. After the killing in Texas I would think that you would agree with that.

While I am a huge second amendment supporter, I do not think background checks really are a terrible thing and that drs should report ppl they think are unstable.